Bigotry and Transphobia in Policenauts
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:50 pm
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Kojima Games: Snatcher, Policenauts, Metal Gear, ZOE and Boktai
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It's....kind of weird that you put quotes around "troubling" here. What's the implication?best name ever wrote:I seriously doubt you will get something less "troubling" in the original text.
Reicifr described it as "troubling", I was simply quoting him.Kusano wrote:It's....kind of weird that you put quotes around "troubling" here. What's the implication?
I don't think this was the prevailing attitude at all in 1993/4 Japan when the line was written and experienced by the initial audience.Reicifr wrote:because this should be obviously bigoted and transphobic to anyone who sees it ... Calling a transsexual a transvestite is a form of hate speech
Yo this is uncalled for, and you should apologize.LambertAdams wrote:You seem kind of unstable
...Reicifr wrote:Tasukete~ kudasai~.
Some people don't know how to argue and sticks to ad hominem when it gets rough.Reicifr wrote:Okay, so I've been personally attacked and called unstable by a guy who apparently accuses me of personal attacks. And I should be feared? Maybe it's because I argue well! I think I do, at least in comparison. ; D
I agree that is becomes suspect. However one could still create a world where most characters have a certain prejudice towards a certain type of people without having the same prejudice.Reicifr wrote: You're really gonna go this route? The ventriloquist didn't say it; his puppet did. Jonathan is not a person; he is a fictional character written by Hideo Kojima. You can write prejudiced characters, yes, but when most of the characters in your games have the same troubling views that crop up now and again, it becomes suspect.
No you didn't, but sometimes translators make stuff up that have nothing to do with the source material. The view of the writes is important though. Because then you know exactly what kind of message they want to convey with their story.Reicifr wrote: I never asked if it was the translators' view. Honestly, whether it's the view of the writer isn't important; this stuff will be around forever, and the writer won't.
Yes and no. It's diffrent between showing a cleavage right up in your face and imply that a character is gay. What I was trying to say is that saying a game is sexist because it shows cleavage without looking into the characters and story is like jugding a book by it's cover. You are obviously not that kind of person though seeing as you played these games anyway. Cleavage or not. However the cleavage is there to appeal to these games biggest auidience, straight men.Reicifr wrote: The juxtaposition of the first sentence with the rest is completely nonsensical, sorry.
What a shame. I was hoping to learn something.Reicifr wrote: Anyway, this thread is getting deeply upsetting pretty quickly, so once I hear what Marc says about the translation, I'm outta here.
Thanks to the people that were decent to me.
Damn... I consider Policenauts to be one of, if not, my favorite game and yet I didn't even know this little monologue existed.Reicifr wrote:
Esto debería ser "No comprendo, Inglés por favor?"AwesomeBrand wrote:Mi no comprende, Ingles por favor?
Buena respuesta.best name ever wrote:Buena pregunta.
Significa "en peligro / ayúdame".
This thread was a pretty bad read, aside from Marc's post. I always love reading about instances like that in a work. Chalk it up to wanting to know everything I possibly can, but I just find even the most insignificant stories about the development of a product I've enjoyed fascinating.Dezu wrote:Most cringeworthy topic on the forums so far.
I can assume that there is a correction so I will iterate it then. "No Comprendo, Ingles por favor?"GirianSeed573 wrote:Esto debería ser "No comprendo, Inglés por favor?"AwesomeBrand wrote:Mi no comprende, Ingles por favor?
Buena respuesta.best name ever wrote:Buena pregunta.
Significa "en peligro / ayúdame".
v1.1 Here we come~!Marc wrote:...when I look at it now, "transgeneder" immediately pops out at me as the right way to go.