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Author:  Jonathan Ingram [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:52 pm ]
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Surely more a reference to Robin Hood and Little John? Crossbows and forests and all that... Just the first thing that came into my mind.

Author:  Marc [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:09 pm ]
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Yeah, that's what I figured, too. Just the fact that Little John used a bow and not a bow gun that made me wonder.

Author:  Jonathan Ingram [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:22 am ]
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Oh yeah, but minor things like that don't stop Kojima drawing his crazy allusions to different things. I can just imagine him making the connection and scribbling it down. Nutter.

Author:  Marc [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:43 am ]
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I suppose the reason he named him Little John in Snatcher was because he's Gibson's sidekick. Any other reason(s)?

Author:  Marc [ Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:58 am ]
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Here's another reference.

In Policenauts, there's a green-eyed Snatcher target in Target Mode in the Shooting Range. The music also changes to an exclusive (not the one from the 32-bit versions) remix of Pressure of Tension in this case. Then when the round is over, the target makes a short-circuit noise.

Author:  87th [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:13 pm ]
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I even managed to add a reference from a game that hasn't even been shown to the public yet! (MGS:DGN2) Try to beat that. :D

Author:  Marc [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:50 pm ]
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Cool, they finally got that in there. Do you say that because it's in the comic?

Author:  87th [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:57 pm ]
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Yes. They also use the image of Karen in the inside cover of the first issue of the comic, so I'd be very surprised if they cut that part out for the "game" (especially since I didn't notice any cuts in DGN).

Author:  Marc [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:59 pm ]
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How is she drawn? Can anyone provide a scan of that page?

Author:  87th [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:43 pm ]
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Really ugly

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Author:  Marc [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:15 pm ]
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God damn, that is so ugly! She almost looks like Geraldo Rivera in that second picture. Tomiharu Kinoshita would be turning over in his grave if he was dead.

Thanks a lot for the scan. If no one had it, I would've bought the thing only to find that waiting for me. For people who don't know, here's how she's supposed to look.

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Author:  Rick Deckard [ Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:17 pm ]
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Osiris wrote:
Tomiharu Kinoshita would be turning over in his grave if he was dead.

Turning over in his bed then maybe...?

Author:  Artemio [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:05 am ]
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I f****** hate that f****** artwork...

*sigh* I ended up buying the DGN anyway.. I believe I never uploaded scans for that =P

Author:  Rick Deckard [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:49 am ]
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Why does she look like the Joker?

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Author:  Marc [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:04 am ]
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You second swear is missing a star, Snatcher.

Author:  Artemio [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:09 pm ]
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Thanks, corrected the mistake =P

Author:  Jonathan Ingram [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:29 pm ]
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Rick Deckard wrote:
Why does she look like the Joker?

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Good spot Rick, you're right. Karen's meant to be hot, not a freaky gothic-doll looking thing. They missed the point there, for sure.

Author:  ratperson665 [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:31 pm ]
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87th wrote:
Really ugly
I don't know. She look kind of cute to me. Although she isn't as hot as she is in Policenauts.

Author:  Marc [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:35 pm ]
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ratperson665 wrote:
87th wrote:
Really ugly
I don't know. She look kind of cute to me. Although she isn't as hot as she is in Policenauts.


I say we ban him.

Author:  ratperson665 [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:48 pm ]
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Osiris wrote:
ratperson665 wrote:
87th wrote:
Really ugly
I don't know. She look kind of cute to me. Although she isn't as hot as she is in Policenauts.


I say we ban him.
I wasn't serious! She looks like a ghoul in that picture!

Author:  Marc [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:07 pm ]
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No, I think you really do like her.

Author:  ratperson665 [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:11 pm ]
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Osiris wrote:
No, I think you really do like her.


Look Osiris! I've said things I didn't mean before. They are listed below.

1. When I said I was going to dub Policenauts, I had no intention of doing so.

2. When I said Ridley Scott was a bad director, I was just trying to get you all pissed.

3. When I said I hated Seven Samurai, I was lying. (I've never seen it.)

4. When I said I hated Ichi The Killer, I was lying. (Again, I didn't see it. I was too much of a wimp.)

5. When I said I hated the Blade Runner Director’s Cut, I was lying. (I consider it inferior to the original theatrical release but I don't hate it.)

6. I don't think the comic book Karen is hot. (I'm not that desperate.)

I know I was EXTREEMLY annoying. I was just showing off. I’m sorry.

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The first one was a joke entry. I did want to dub the game at first but eventually the project fell through the cracks and was abandoned do to more important matters.

Author:  Artemio [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:55 pm ]
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Chill out, he is just teasing you =)

Author:  Finalfantasy7 [ Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:08 pm ]
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I bet he did not even know how Karen looked like orginally. He was either asked to make the referance or just added it in after reading reading the translations of the orginal script provided to him.

Author:  87th [ Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:16 pm ]
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Well, judging by how I heard Kojima reacted to the original MGS comic, I doubt he would have helped. Apparently, he was a fan of Ashley Wood, and he was happy to see him adapting the game to comic form, but felt the early work on the comic was too close to the game, and wanted to see an original interpretation of the story. This is why there's many changes later on (Mantis taunting Fox, Liquid mentioning the Patriots).
I think Wood would have bought a copy of The Document for research on the game (and the 3D character models would have helped his illustrations, too). He probably picked up the name from that.

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