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Voice for Ocelot MGS4

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Which would you guys rather have do the voice for Liquid Ocelot? Cam Clarke (Liquid) or Patrick Zimmerman (Ocelot)? I personally think that Cam Clarke is a better voice actor, but that's just my opinion. As to which voice would fit the character of Liquid Ocelot, I think that either one would work since they can both change their voices to fit whatever characters. Anyway, I think it would be interesting to hear everybody's opinion.
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I'd rather have Patrick Zimmerman, since it's his body, but I the focus is on Snake vs Liquid rather than Snake vs Ocelot, so I suppose it would make sense to have Cam Clarke (especially since he voiced Ocelot's Liquid persona in MGS2).
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87th wrote:I'd rather have Patrick Zimmerman, since it's his body, but I the focus is on Snake vs Liquid rather than Snake vs Ocelot, so I suppose it would make sense to have Cam Clarke (especially since he voiced Ocelot's Liquid persona in MGS2).
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, and apparently, in Japan, the guy who voiced Ocelot was going to return and do his character again, but he died before he had a chance. I guess we're actually doing what the "original" plan was, but I still would like to hear Cam Clarke return for the final showdown (he won't even be in the game at all).
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I think Kojima has dug himself a hole with that 'talking arm' thing anyhow. I have no idea how he's going to 'explain' such a plotline. He'll probably choose the easy option by saying Ocelot was 'tricking' everybody... again. #-o

And yeah, I like Cam's voice more, but Pat's good too.
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I read an interview with Hideo Kojima in EDGE yesterday (I can probably arrange something if any of you are interested in reading it) where he said that he had regretted including plot elements like Les Enfants Terribles in MetalGear. He's often just trying to get players excited about a boss fight in the crazier cutscenes, and it's only when he's asked to explain it in a way that makes sense in the games that he regrets incorporating them.
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Henry Spencer wrote:I think Kojima has dug himself a hole with that 'talking arm' thing anyhow. I have no idea how he's going to 'explain' such a plotline. He'll probably choose the easy option by saying Ocelot was 'tricking' everybody... again. #-o

And yeah, I like Cam's voice more, but Pat's good too.
I agree that this point was the one that alienated me the most in MGS2. It really made me pause when playing and question the thing, it is way over the top.

But MGS3 provided with a simple answer for this.. Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow. He could simply be channeling him, or any pseudo-scientific explanation would do since you already had a character like that.
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Artemio wrote:
Henry Spencer wrote:I think Kojima has dug himself a hole with that 'talking arm' thing anyhow. I have no idea how he's going to 'explain' such a plotline. He'll probably choose the easy option by saying Ocelot was 'tricking' everybody... again. #-o

And yeah, I like Cam's voice more, but Pat's good too.
I agree that this point was the one that alienated me the most in MGS2. It really made me pause when playing and question the thing, it is way over the top.

But MGS3 provided with a simple answer for this.. Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow. He could simply be channeling him, or any pseudo-scientific explanation would do since you already had a character like that.
Wow, I didn't find it alienating at all. I just figured it was another crazy idea from Kojima. It's not really all that much more crazy than Vamp, Fortune, and the other freaks in the metal gear games. I think it's over-the-top, but I didn't find it that horrible (actually I think that Liquid is a really cool character, and I appreciated the comeback).

Anyway, 87th, could you maybe provide a link to the article or something of the sort. I would really like to read that.
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JimboKudo wrote: Anyway, 87th, could you maybe provide a link to the article or something of the sort. I would really like to read that.
It's a magazine article, but I'll try and get it scanned tomorrow night.
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Artemio wrote:But MGS3 provided with a simple answer for this.. Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow. He could simply be channeling him, or any pseudo-scientific explanation would do since you already had a character like that.
I think that the explanation that MGS4 offered is in the end even more simple than that, and a clever one.
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I'm playing through the Japanese version right now, and I prefer hearing Liquid's voice. Especially since you hear his voice in MGS2. I know Kojima planned for it to be Ocelot's voice, but the way things turned out...I prefer this. No disrespect to the late actor intended.
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This also makes the return of Ocelot's voice at the end all the more powerful.
I imagine it to be Ocelot doing an imitation of Liquid's voice, so I don't think it violates the laws of physical reality.
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Marc wrote:I'm playing through the Japanese version right now, and I prefer hearing Liquid's voice. Especially since you hear his voice in MGS2. I know Kojima planned for it to be Ocelot's voice, but the way things turned out...I prefer this. No disrespect to the late actor intended.
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Wait... you mean in the JPN MGS4 Liquid/Ocelot has two voice actors, as in our (western) MGS2?

If that's so... they should have called Clarke back! But hey, that means that you get to hear JPN Ocelot voice just at the very end? If that's so... It's for the best that they opted to have Zimmerman.
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Jack wrote:
Spoiler:
Wait... you mean in the JPN MGS4 Liquid/Ocelot has two voice actors, as in our (western) MGS2?

If that's so... they should have called Clarke back! But hey, that means that you get to hear JPN Ocelot voice just at the very end? If that's so... It's for the best that they opted to have Zimmerman.
Spoiler:
For most of the game it's the voice of Banjo Ginga/Liquid, but at the end you get to hear some of Ocelot's voice (just library clips, was it? I can't remember now; all I can remember at the moment is the "ii sensu da!" clips).
So the original plan was to have Ocelot's voice in both versions, then? (I didn't follow news or interviews on MGS4.)
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