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Kojima games owned: METALGEAR SERIES
MetalGear (MSX2) [European]
MetalGear (NES) [European]
MetalGear (Famicom) [Japanese]
MetalGear 2: Solid Snake (MSX2) [Japanese]
Snake's Revenge (NES) [European]
MetalGear Solid (PlayStation) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Premium Pack (PlayStation) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Integral (PlayStation) [Japanese]
MetalGear: Ghost Babel (Gameboy Color) [European]
MetalGear: Ghost Babel (Gameboy Color) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance + The Document of MGS2 (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (Xbox) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (PC) [European]
MetalGear AC!D (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater - Premium Pack (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear AC!D2 (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - 1st Edition (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - Promo copy (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - 1st Edition (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Portable Ops (PSP) [American]
MetalGear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Limited Edition (+ Bonus Disc, Soundtrack and 6" Old Snake Action Figure) [European]

SNATCHER SERIES
Snatcher (Mega CD) [European]
Snatcher (Saturn) [Japanese]

POLICENAUTS SERIES
Policenauts Pilot Disk (3DO) [Japanese]
Policenauts (3DO) [Japanese]
Policenauts (PlayStation) [Japanese]
Policenauts (Saturn) [Japanese]
Policenauts (Saturn) [Japanese]

ZONE OF THE ENDERS SERIES
Zone Of the Enders (PlayStation 2) [European]
Zone Of the Enders: The Second Runner - Special Edition (PlayStation 2) [European]

BOKTAI SERIES
boktai: The Sun Is In Your Hand! (Gameboy Advance) [European]
boktai 2: Solar Boy Django (Gameboy Advance) [European]

OTHER SERIES
Penguin Adventure (MSX) [European]
Kabushiki Baibai Trainer Kabutore (DS) [Japanese]

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Post by 87th »

I was on Gamerankings.com, and for a laugh I decided to look through some average rankings of old games. Naturally one of my first searches was "Metal Gear". If you're unfamiliar with Gamerankings.com, it's a site that takes scores of all the reviews from the big sites and averages them out.

I came to a page with these types of scores-
MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater- 92.8% (Should be a bit higher)
MetalGear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty- 95.1% (Shouldn't be higher than MGS3)
MetalGear Solid- 92.7% (Definitely should be higher than than MGS2)
and then I saw-
MetalGear Solid (MetalGear: Ghost Babel)- 98.1% (WHAT!?)

Okay, I could see where the rank came from, as it really did push the hardware to its limits, and despite some annoying sections it was still a good game. However, it really had no place riding on top of the series. There were far too many annoyances, a fairly poor plot, some crappy characters, and an abysmal 2-Player mode.
I just shook my head.

Then, I looked at the overall best scores chart. Guess what was sitting right behind Ocarina of Time (which is the Number 1 game in the chart). Yup- Ghost, bloody, Babel. Honestly, look for yourself-
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemranking ... rankings=y

To be honest, I think 7.8/10 (the lowest rank listed for the game) is a fair score.
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This is simply supernatural. From this, I think Game Rankings.com not only decides what is suggestable, but the entire National Wolrd Elections!!!!! haahahah, interesting find.
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Post by FOX-HOUND »

Maybe the score relates to the other games on the GBC, in which case it kind of deserves it, at least a 9/10 average. Also it only has 13 reviews, which could be a factor. All the other MGS games have many more.
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This is terrible. How will we fix it?
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Post by randomwab »

We wont, because gamerankings sounds utter stupid! Ghost Babel, however good, is not better then MGS 2 or 3
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Post by Jonathan Ingram »

FOX-HOUND wrote:Maybe the score relates to the other games on the GBC
That is of course correct. When these people rate games they rate them in comparison to the rest of that platform's offerings, not in comparison with every other game ever made. That's not to say such a comparison isn't possible, but it's just not the way it's usually done. Someone who saw that score would know that MGS for the GBC is one of the finest GBC games, but wouldn't expect stunning visuals and lengthy amounts of real sound dialogue because he would automatically think of it as being the best for that platform.
87th wrote:MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater- 92.8% (Should be a bit higher)
MetalGear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty- 95.1% (Shouldn't be higher than MGS3)
MetalGear Solid- 92.7% (Definitely should be higher than than MGS2)
So you think MGS2 is the worst of the three...
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Favorite Game: MetalGear 2: Solid Snake
Kojima games owned: METALGEAR SERIES
MetalGear (MSX2) [European]
MetalGear (NES) [European]
MetalGear (Famicom) [Japanese]
MetalGear 2: Solid Snake (MSX2) [Japanese]
Snake's Revenge (NES) [European]
MetalGear Solid (PlayStation) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Premium Pack (PlayStation) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Integral (PlayStation) [Japanese]
MetalGear: Ghost Babel (Gameboy Color) [European]
MetalGear: Ghost Babel (Gameboy Color) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance + The Document of MGS2 (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (Xbox) [European]
MetalGear Solid 2: Substance (PC) [European]
MetalGear AC!D (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Snake Eater - Premium Pack (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear AC!D2 (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - 1st Edition (PlayStation 2) [Japanese]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - Promo copy (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid 3: Subsistence - 1st Edition (PlayStation 2) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel (PSP) [European]
MetalGear Solid: Portable Ops (PSP) [American]
MetalGear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Limited Edition (+ Bonus Disc, Soundtrack and 6" Old Snake Action Figure) [European]

SNATCHER SERIES
Snatcher (Mega CD) [European]
Snatcher (Saturn) [Japanese]

POLICENAUTS SERIES
Policenauts Pilot Disk (3DO) [Japanese]
Policenauts (3DO) [Japanese]
Policenauts (PlayStation) [Japanese]
Policenauts (Saturn) [Japanese]
Policenauts (Saturn) [Japanese]

ZONE OF THE ENDERS SERIES
Zone Of the Enders (PlayStation 2) [European]
Zone Of the Enders: The Second Runner - Special Edition (PlayStation 2) [European]

BOKTAI SERIES
boktai: The Sun Is In Your Hand! (Gameboy Advance) [European]
boktai 2: Solar Boy Django (Gameboy Advance) [European]

OTHER SERIES
Penguin Adventure (MSX) [European]
Kabushiki Baibai Trainer Kabutore (DS) [Japanese]

KOJIMA-RELATED GAMES
Konami Krazy Racers (Gameboy Advance) [European]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) [American]
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Post by 87th »

All the same, Gamerankings lists games for consoles as old as the 16-BIT generation. To see Ghost Babel listed as the second best game on the site is rather rediculous, I think you'll agree.
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