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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:16 am
by Snake700
Ok.
Just ordered my copy of Subsistence from amazon.co.uk it should arrive next week.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:13 pm
by Gaff
I bought my copy today, had to trade in several old games that I didn't play anymore but it was definitely worth it I'm sure. Unfortunately, my current lack of a PS2 means that I won't be able to play on until tomorrow or so when I get my PS2 back from my friend.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:42 pm
by Snake700
By the way. I heard that some bugs and glintchs where fixed for the european version. Is that true?
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:11 am
by 87th
I don't think so. I've noticed that video that plays in the radio screen (when they are showing enemy patrols and such) seems to jutter, occasionally. I didn't notice any obvious glitches in the Japanese version.
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:04 am
by Marc
Me either. Might be to do with online mode, though. They did release it as a stand-alone game in Japan a few months ago.
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:33 am
by 87th
Osiris wrote:They did release it as a stand-alone game in Japan a few months ago.
I really think they should have made that a worldwide budget release. Most Europeans are buying it solely for the online mode (and maybe the original two games). The Snake Vs Ape levels, Duel Mode and Demo Theatre mode were all in the PAL version of Snake Eater.
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:10 pm
by Missing
Europe really has it bad. From what I've read on GameFAQs, the launch date for Portable Ops in Europe won't be until Sept. of 2007. It may not be true, but I'm just thankful that I don't need to worry about things like that. Just surviving the wait for Subsistence would be agonizing enough without adding more bad news to it such as this.
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:23 am
by Snake700
At least it won´t happen with MGS4. In a interview with OPM2 (UK) Kojima says that he wants MGS4 released at the same time all over the world like Sony (Originally) planned with the PS3
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:59 am
by Marc
Hasn't he said that with 2 and 3 as well?
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:12 pm
by 87th
No. In fact, he set out to release the American versions first with those ones.
Sony have claimed that a Blu-Ray disc should be big enough to hold the text and audio in many different languages, in most games. If that's true, maybe Europe, America and Japan will all get the same version of the game?
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:51 pm
by Marc
I know he made the US versions first. What I meant to say was that didn't he say Europe wouldn't have to wait as long for the game? "We'd like to release the European version sooner, but..." Something like that.
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:35 pm
by Jonathan Ingram
Osiris wrote:I know he made the US versions first. What I meant to say was that didn't he say Europe wouldn't have to wait as long for the game? "We'd like to release the European version sooner, but..." Something like that.
"We'd like to release the European version sooner, but... you know, we've just done the American and Japanese ones, we're like, tired and shit. Chill out you guys."
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:34 am
by randomwab
At least we usually get something to make up for the wait, though it isn't always useful. All those camos we got in Snake Eater were useless, the Demo Theatre was great though.
Anyone want a game of Subsistence tonight?
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:14 pm
by 87th
Just completed the version of MG2:SS that's on it. The translation is great. Some people complained that "Whale Cuisine" wasn't changed to "Buffalo Meat", but if they were to do that, they probably would have had to change Madnar to Modnar.
Boss Survival is great, too. Bit strange that they forgot about Red Blaster and Predator, though. (I don't like the new names)
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:37 pm
by Snake700
I played both Metal Gear (both MSX and NES) though emulation. But my brother still haven´t tryed it (and i had it on my computer since summer 2004!) Anyway he´s really excited to play Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. This may sound stupid, but is he right in being excited? (i´m excited too, but mostly because of the translation)
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:16 pm
by Marc
I think the translation is second rate, but that's just me (after comparing the two scripts). I don't think they would have had to changed Madnar. One is a major character, the other is a minor (but still nice) reference.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:44 pm
by 87th
Well, this way both of the references are true to the Japanese version. If they changed Whale Cuisine to Buffalo Meat, then they would be referencing different things.
The new version, in general is much easier to play. There's an Easy mode and an "Original" mode, but some of the changes make it a little easier than the MSX version, anyway. (different rations being coloured differently, less waiting for eggs to hatch, etc.)
They're nice little touches, but only the biggest of fans will notice the differences. The boss survival is great, but not much for casual fans of the game to get excited about.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:49 pm
by Marc
It's a reference to the world of Snatcher, and by not keeping the English versions the same, you lose the reference. Names are different. With a name, you should use the most widely used version, and in this case, it's Madnar (found in both MG1 and 2 versus Modnar in just Snatcher). As the game is, the "joke" about whale meat makes no sense to anyone, whereas buffalo meat would at least make sense to people who've played Snatcher (if they'd also worded the line better).
I contacted KP to tell them about how their localization system is flawed, but of course they just ignored me.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:38 pm
by 87th
Osiris wrote:As the game is, the "joke" about whale meat makes no sense to anyone
Apart from those who are aware of the Japanese script of Snatcher. Most of those, I'd assume, are the people who are still familiar with plot details of Snatcher. I doubt anybody in Konami's localisation team were aware of what the text was referencing, anyway.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:48 pm
by Marc
But how many people are familiar with the Japanese Snatcher? Even taking people who have played Snatcher, how many people know about the switch?
87th wrote:I doubt anybody in Konami's localisation team were aware of what the text was referencing, anyway.
Exactly. That's why they need to stop outsourcing their translations, or at least get someone familiar with Kojima's previous games to go over the scripts (since his games are the studio).
I probably come across as a hardass who's taking things too far, but these things just get to me. No one's held to account.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:52 pm
by Artemio
Osiris point is this: Do you want to miss all references made in MGS4? I am not saying that you won't get them, but it would be wise to say that msot people will never get them since the prior work is not being acocunetd for. The "Search the house" reference in the MGS4 trailer of last year was missed by most since it was not localized with such knowledge.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:52 pm
by 87th
It does sound like you're being a little too critical of a minor niggle. It's even arguable that some fans may have preffered a direct translation of the Japanese script, and unless Konami employed members of this site, I doubt they'd ever get an ideal localisation team for Kojima's games.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:00 pm
by Marc
Bear in mind it isn't just that one game. It's happened in every one of them. And so I expect them to mistranslate MGS4, yes.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:17 pm
by 87th
Well, of course.
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:31 pm
by Marc
But we'll be here to pick up the pieces.
