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Spoilers, please don't read unless you've finished Snatcher.

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:14 pm
by Reborn from the Ashes
Does anyone else feel sympathy towards Random? I just finished Snatcher again, and I started thinking about this. He does so much, saving Gillian's life at least four times, blows up Queen's Hospital, and prevents Neo Kobe from being nuked.

I thought it was pretty sad when he set off the TNT he carried in Queen's Hospital, but I actually felt sad for Random in the Kremlin, he survives the explosion in Queen's Hospital just to discover that all his memories are fake (in a way), but even worse, he sacrificed himself to help stop the Snatchers, the thing he hated above everything else, only to discover that he is one himself, made in the image of the Snatchers creator. Then finally, he sacrifices himself for the last time, saving Neo Kobe.

I just find that very tragic. Although it was more or less set in stone that Random had to die, once it was revealed he was a Snatcher, I still found it sad, especially as he saved Metal's memory chip. Even after he found out he was a Snatcher, he still did everything he could to help Gillian and Metal.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:04 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Yeah, Randam was my favorite character too. I think there's plenty of evidence though that Randam was meant to survive in the game (especialyl, considering the ending to SD Snatcher, where he actually survives the explosion and goes to Russia with Gillian and Metal). While I would've preferred if they had went with the Randam lives scenario, I must admit that the ending they choosed for CD-ROMantic worked better for the game than one in which Randam survives.

Still, I wish they would've gone with the "Master Snatcher" scenario from SD Snatcher into CD-ROMantic as well, instead of merely making Elijah into a Jaime-obsessed stalker though.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:16 pm
by Junker-2045
Yup. Random was also my favourite character. I wanted him to live. His lines were awesome though in the kremlin, "if we both die, there wont be a copy or an original now will there?" But one must not poke holes in a masterpiece such as snatcher.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:39 pm
by Snake Plissken
I love how Kojima creates development for each character, and even "round" characters so you end up feeling sympathy, cause the round characters turn into main characters in a ways. For instance poor Harry, I thought it was the ultimate horror to see him die in his father's arms (gillian) without even knowing. As also to see random make the great sacrifice at the end. Hmmmm "Sacrifice," and story line building "deaths," lol sounds like a Kojima game to me! :P (sorry, I be a smartass indeed)

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:43 pm
by Reborn from the Ashes
I liked Random's lines in the Kremlin as well, especially "By Snatching you, I'm finally gonna get my real self back."

Snake, I agree with you what you said about Kojima developing the characters. Another character I felt sympathy for was Cunningham. Not even Mika shows any sadness at his death, even though he's already dead before the game starts. :(

I'd really like to play SD Snatcher, is there anyway to "find it"?

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:23 pm
by Snake Plissken

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:38 pm
by Reborn from the Ashes
Thanks! :D

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:30 pm
by Red Falcon
If you press Shift + 4 at the SCC menu you enable the infinite money cheat. :P

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:52 am
by Johnny Undaunted
Red Falcon wrote:If you press Shift + 4 at the SCC menu you enable the infinite money cheat. :P
Figures! Go play the regular non-cracked version like it's meant to be. That way you can beat the Master Snatcher. I recommend NLMSX as the emulator of choice.

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:11 pm
by Crowley
Is there a translated ROM that works properly otherwise?

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:14 pm
by Red Falcon
Actually, I found out about the Infinite Money Cheat after I beat the game. And I was playing non-cracked one that didn't have the black screen menu about the SCC thing.
Emu I used was blueMSX.

And Crowley, it's not a rom it's a dsk. There's 3 dsks and you're supposed to insert it into Disk A drive of your MSX emu.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:31 am
by Crowley
Ok, I'll rephrase that: Are there translated disk images of SD Snatcher where the experience level advancement works properly?

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:42 am
by Red Falcon
What's wrong with the one that the Underdogs has? I just tried that one and it seems to work ok.

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:03 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Crowley wrote:Ok, I'll rephrase that: Are there translated disk images of SD Snatcher where the experience level advancement works properly?
Tried the following site. I imagine there is, although I usually play the raw (non-translated) dump.

www.planetemu.net

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:56 pm
by Rick Deckard
Does Gillian ever actually 'repay' Random in any way (for saving his life on several occasions)? He promises it two, maybe three times... but I don't think he ever gets a chance to act on it.

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:29 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Rick Deckard wrote:Does Gillian ever actually 'repay' Random in any way (for saving his life on several occasions)? He promises it two, maybe three times... but I don't think he ever gets a chance to act on it.
Actually, he does so by saving Mika and killing the Cunningham-Snatcher.

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:48 pm
by Rick Deckard
It seemed to me that he was doing that more for Harry than Random.

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:54 pm
by randomwab
yeah, but still, he got Cunningham in the end which is all the really matters