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Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:48 pm
by JimboKudo
I was wondering what the differences between Sons of Liberty and Substance were, because I own SOL, and I was trying to figure out if I should go and buy Substance. Is it worth it?
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:14 pm
by RandommodnaR
FUCKING HELL YESH. Substance is SOL with a lot more fun stuff. Lemme check mah bawxs. "It has over 350 VR missions, and over 150 Altenrate missions. You can play the all-new Snake Tales with Solid Snake as the protagonist. Unlock new characters and modes you can play!"
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:55 pm
by 87th
Basically, if you enjoyed VR Missions / Special Missions, you'll probably enjoy Substance, too. The extra missions really teach you to think differently about how you use your techniques in the main game. The Snake's Tales missions are a little disappointing, as they were advertised as "what-if" scenarios, each with their own plot, but it's basically a series of goals tied together by text-based interludes. The FPS and Skateboarding modes are pretty bad, but I really enjoyed the VR and Alternate Missions. If you can play it, I recommend getting the PAL PS2 version, which comes with The Document of MetalGear Solid 2. The Xbox and PC versions have their own respective problems.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:18 pm
by RandommodnaR
87th wrote:The Xbox and PC versions have their own respective problems.
Tell me about it! I spent 2 years trying to get the PC version to work. But in the end it was SO WORTH IT :3
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:01 pm
by JimboKudo
I guess that's on my next-to-buy list. Thanks for the help guys.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:43 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Basically Substance is just Sons of Liberty with lots of extra game modes. There's some subtle differences between the main portion in both games, but you're not missing much if all you want is the main game.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:30 pm
by Henry Spencer
In the US original version:
Solidus refers to Raiden by his codename, but in Europe for the original version, and all versions of Substance; Solidus refers to him as "Jack" (which is better).
I think there's like one new line of dialogue in Fatman's introductory scene, could be wrong though.
Can't think of anything else.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:38 am
by Spike
Henry Spencer wrote:In the US original version:
Solidus refers to Raiden by his codename, but in Europe for the original version, and all versions of Substance; Solidus refers to him as "Jack" (which is better).
I think there's like one new line of dialogue in Fatman's introductory scene, could be wrong though.
Even if Solidus calls Raiden "Jack" most of the time in the European SOL, I seem to recall that he calls him by his codename before / after (?) the fight against the RAYs (
No more games, Raiden.).
In the European SOL (and Substance as well, I guess) :
- The game asks you a few questions to determine which chapters and which difficulty mode you should play the game on.
- The game is less bloody (you don't see the cuts in the Marines' necks in the Tanker chapter and there's less blood when Vamp kills the SEALS).
- A USP suppressor is available during second playthroughs on the Tanker.
- The shaver is only available on Hard (and above).
- Two short cutscenes have been added (Fatman rollerskating and falling after you beat him - Raiden crossing the oil fence after shooting Vamp in the head with the PSG1).
- Olga's death was improved.
- Casting theater (Substance allows you to use more characters) and Boss survival (there are more bosses to fight in the Substance version)
- ...
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:47 pm
by lance
And don't forget the SKATEBOARDING SNAKE! :razz:
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:12 pm
by 87th
lance wrote:And don't forget the SKATEBOARDING SNAKE! :razz:
87th wrote:The FPS and Skateboarding modes are pretty bad
I didn't.

Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:11 am
by JimboKudo
87th wrote:lance wrote:And don't forget the SKATEBOARDING SNAKE! :razz:
87th wrote:The FPS and Skateboarding modes are pretty bad
I didn't.

I donno, skateboarding snake sounds like it would be pretty groovy man.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:29 am
by 87th
It's basically just a demo for Konami's Evolution Skateboarding, which was pretty bad in the first place.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:06 am
by JimboKudo
87th wrote:It's basically just a demo for Konami's Evolution Skateboarding, which was pretty bad in the first place.
I've never even heard of Evolution Skateboarding.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:17 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
I thought the Evolution Skateboarding demo was fun, but the Tony Hawk games are better in my opinion.
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:59 pm
by Synthoid
87th wrote:The FPS and Skateboarding modes are pretty bad
There was an FPS mode?
Re: Difference between MGS2 SOL and MGS2 Substance
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:56 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Synthoid wrote:87th wrote:The FPS and Skateboarding modes are pretty bad
There was an FPS mode?
VR mode only.