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Subliminal Messaging (possibly next kojima game)

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:46 am
by Snake Plissken
alright, many have noticed in metal gear that when you look in a locker there are posters for "tirn aill." Recently for some reason Kojima just won the copyrights to this prefered adventure tale. It's a fairy tale paced story about elves and shit ect. I never read them so don't quote me on details.

http://www.tirn-aill.com/index2.html

Anyways. In the game when you open a locker, the poster showing a character will sometimes briefly appear on the door or inside while in third person opening sequence. Seconds later when you look in first person, the image is gone. This can be sighted specifically in the lockers that, that scientist is pacing towards in the room with the tv before you go to see Granin, in the first lab you go to (dont wanna write the long ass name). And it can be cited in lockers within Grozni Grad. But many have just spotted them in the first lab. For some the image is constant and you see graphics of the characters. The posters you see are renditions of the characters you dont normally see on the site or in the comics itself. So this leaves us with an ideal perspective that someone particular on Konami did this, and this could be the next game that Kojima is making. So put it all together, the custom character posters, the purchasing of the logo under Konami, hell, what more do I say lol, go have fun and spot this shit yourself.

I'm starting to read more into this and I am personally noticing that there are many tirn-aill refs in the actual game itself in some respects, and objects. That, you have to find for yourself lol. Go play the game again lol :wink:

Alas, remember the purpose of a subliminal message -

- signal or message designed to pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes a division between conscious and unconscious which may be misleading; it may be better to say that the subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.

In the everyday world, it has often been suggested (without evidence) that subliminal techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda purposes-

hmmm, that sounds like eveyrthing Kojima has been doing. Sure we all know that when in most cases theres Godzilla refs cause Yoji Shinkawa is sceduled to take part in most of it's "diablerie" productions :D

Well if anyone thinks I am crazy or need sleep, correct me, I am gonna get some sleep, its all clear, you know Kojima, you know what to think blah blah blah

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:49 pm
by Snake Plissken
Ok, it's been cited, the artist of these customs is the same artist that worked on silent hill 3, hence also you see posters for that game and of course the styles are same as the sh3 posters put up throughout the game. None the less remember in silent hill the cafe tirn-aill hahaaha. It also seems this dutch comic has a cult following amongst japanese culture in many ways

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:19 am
by ReasonWhyNot
Son of a bitch, I was asking these questions all over GameFAQs. No one on the MGS3 boards knew anything and the SH3 boards told me it was some Japanese band that the creators liked to listen to. Well, I guess this just proves that no one on GameFAQs knows shit. Except for ff7 and a few others maybe.

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:55 pm
by Snake Plissken
ReasonWhyNot wrote:Son of a bitch, I was asking these questions all over GameFAQs. No one on the MGS3 boards knew anything and the SH3 boards told me it was some Japanese band that the creators liked to listen to. Well, I guess this just proves that no one on GameFAQs knows shit. Except for ff7 and a few others maybe.
Yeah, that's cause me and FF7 are apart of the biggest underground info swap haahahah(and work together at mgs.org). gamefaqs, no one knows shit there hahahaahah.

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:44 am
by Finalfantasy7
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Ok i digged deep to find details on tirn aill and these mystery posters. What Snake Plissken is partly true. MGS3 and Konami has nothing to do with the werid and cult hit tirn aill comics.

What the MGS3 posters are about is "The revolt of TirnAill" art by Hiro Usuda.

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I am not sure how many of you are familar of fantasy art and how it works. Artists usually create this fantasy "world" where they base there paints from and create moments from it. They potray diffrent aspects of this world they created with diffrent art. Same way Hiro Usuda created sets of art called The revolt of TirnAill. He actually is pretty famous in Japan just for his creation of TirnAill

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http://www.geocities.jp/tirn_aill/
http://www.geocities.jp/tirn_aill/tirna ... ry2002.htm
http://www.geocities.jp/tirn_aill/tirna ... ry2003.htm


One of the people who likes his art must have also worked in Silent Hill 2 & 3 production team because there are quite a few The revolt of TirnAill referances in it too.


Miscellaneous: There are posters about the mall advertising "Tirn Aill" and "The Revolt of Tirn Aill". Tirn Aill is an old MMORPG and "The Revolt of Tirn Aill" is a webcomic. (Credit: Andy Thorley) - http://www.flyingomelette.com/cameos/cameoss.html

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-In the first corridor you enter there's a poster saying "The revolution; Tirn
Aill" with a woman's face under it.
- http://www.planetps2.com/shasylum/guides/sh3guide2.txt

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112: On a poster in the shopping mall, the words "Tirn Aill" are written,
which means "fairy world."

(note: in Celtic mythology, "otherworld" and "fairy world" are different
terms for the same realm. The Revolt of Tirn Aill is also the name of an art
gallery by an artist named Hiro Usuda, at least one of whose paintings appears
in Silent Hill 3.)
- http://www.dark-street.silenthillforum. ... age=6&sid=

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So basically Hideo Kojima must also have taste for Hiro Usuda artwork so he placed some of his work in MGS3. And Hiro Usuda to return the favor created a Snake fanart TirnAill style.

Nothing in this refers to Hideo Kojima's next game or his plans to make a game based of the non-relating comics Tirn-Aill.

The only reason these both works share a common name is because in Celtic mythology the Utopian Faerie land is called Tirn Aill. With both the paintings and the comics centering around Fairies we can understand how they both ended up with similar names for there works while they are not related.


Useless triva: Tirn Aill is actually a nickname for the island Tir Non Og in Celtic mythology. This somtimes called the "Irish Land of the Dead" was a place the tribe of Tuatha de Danann retreated to when fighting the Milesians. This land was every defintion of utopina life. A great life until the Faeries started getting spoiled and started fights between themself which basically destoys there tribe. A story which is lot like many other stories that tell tales of greed, corruption that comes out of Utopian situations. "The revolt of TirnAill" is Hiro Usuda vison of some of the situations in that tale. All the original Celtic mythology is written in gaelic, which is also the language the MGS ending theme was sung in :smile:

Long story short: Hideo likes Hiro Usuda art so he placed some of that in MGS3

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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:04 pm
by Snake Plissken
Yeah, Me and ramesh (FF7 above) were up all last night trying to crack this, and now we're in the dumps, we thought we got something hahahaahahah :sad:

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:19 am
by randomwab
If anything i think his next project (although not so subliminally placed) is that he will do some kind of film. As he stated in an interview,for GamesTM, he wants to do something small and independint.

i know this is MGS4 post butt...

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:26 am
by TheChosenHana
Do you think Kojima placed sublimal messages in MGS4 trailer? Now some ones gonna try to watch it frame by frame huh?

That was a nice read btw