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Dammit, why can't these be real!?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:24 am
by 87th
Anyone seen the hoax page on
The Snake Soup before? Some of it's very cool, and it actually frustrates you that these are just hoaxes (see below)-

*cries*
Anyway, it's worth a look at some of the stuff there. Some is very funny, some is very cool-
Snake Soup Hoax Page
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:06 am
by randomwab
Hmm, cant see them, Orkaney Island, where does that ring a bell....CAMERON!!!BB4 winner, he was the best!
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:34 pm
by 87th
Click on the the link at the bottom of my first post. These are the URLs for the pictures I posted-
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/hoaxes/kyles/00.jpg
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/hoaxes/legend/00.jpg
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/hoaxes/legend/01.jpg
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/hoaxes/jjjjh/00.jpg
Cameron Stout's the only celebrity up here, and his face annoys me more every day.

He's everywhere, up here, opens every new shop, turns on the Christmas Ligths every year, is the face of every campaign. He is very annoying.
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:50 pm
by randomwab
Well, they are pretty cool, but to tell you somethign, Metal Gear is being released on the GBA, but i'm not going to get to excited as i'd say it will be the NES version which is nowhere near as good as the MSX. If you ask, someone on another forum mailed Nintendo about some Konami classics with Castlevania just being released, and they said they are bringing more very popular franchises from Konami out, but said "No Response" to a direct question asking of the re-release of MG. Sorry about Cameron by the way, couldnt help myself. Me and my friend were big Cameron fans in BB4 after he walked in and said "OHHH, feels like....GRASSSSSSSSS" after feeling the carpet

:razz: :razz: :razz:
So funny!
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:14 pm
by 87th
NES Classics Series, I'm guessing. Nintendo released a questionairre to people asking which games they'd like to see in future series', i'd hardly be surprised if MetalGear and Snake's Revenge were popular choices. All the same, it's hardly a confirmation, it's probably just in planning stages.
I've seen Cameron in the streets of Kirkwall (It's legally a city, but only just), occasionally. Unsurprisingly, no one cares when they see him.

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:39 am
by DarkTetsuya
You know there hasn't been a peep out of Nintendo since the 2nd set of releases in the Classic NES Series; I wonder if they just threw the questionaire responses into the furnace to heat Nintendo HQ?
I don't remember all the games I picked, but I know Contra/Gryzor/Probotector was one of them, and I think Bayou Billy/Mad City was another.
A Metal Gear 1&2 combo package would be awesome though (MG2:SS, not the abysmal Snake's Revenge, as if you hadn't already guessed...)
DT
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:10 am
by 87th
I think I voted for MetalGear, Snake's Revenge, Mega Man, Kabuki Quantum Fighter and Contra.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:42 pm
by Crowley
Just to chime in, the first image struck me spot on. I played MG2:SS years before MGS and was rather annoyed with how directly it copied the general geography of the playing area.
I find these of great interest:
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/?section=ho ... ttothuggin
How did he do those? With my luck it's probably GameShark...
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:03 pm
by 87th
Either that or a hacked version of MGS PC. I know I once had an Action Replay cheat that allowed you to move the camera to any place on the map (Konami used the stuff for Trailers). Thought that was quite interesting.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:13 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
DarkTetsuya wrote:not the abysmal Snake's Revenge, as if you hadn't already guessed...
DT
Shut your mouth. Snake's Revenge was a good game, fuck the haters.
Anyway, those photoshot GBA covers aren't really as great as the ones I did years ago, of course those were lost in my previous PC. The ones I did were Japanese horizontal-style.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:14 am
by DarkTetsuya
Johnny Undaunted wrote:DarkTetsuya wrote:not the abysmal Snake's Revenge, as if you hadn't already guessed...
DT
Shut your mouth. Snake's Revenge was a good game, fuck the haters.
Anyway, those photoshot GBA covers aren't really as great as the ones I did years ago, of course those were lost in my previous PC. The ones I did were Japanese horizontal-style.
To each his own, but I never got into it as much as I did the original on NES. But if I had a choice of a MG2:SS port or SR, I'd go with MG2.
And in regards to a US release of MG2, I read an interview in the latest Tips & Tricks that such a game isn't
completely out of the question.
DT
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:14 am
by Snake Plissken
Johnny Undaunted wrote:DarkTetsuya wrote:not the abysmal Snake's Revenge, as if you hadn't already guessed...
DT
Shut your mouth. Snake's Revenge was a good game, fuck the haters.
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hell yeah, that game kept me busy till I got ahold of castlevania III. Ultra Games was the definitive coolness of it's time, for the time it lasted.

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:41 am
by 87th
Snake's Revenge was a good NES Action game. It was a terrible MetalGear game.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:29 am
by Johnny Undaunted
I don't understand how anyone in their right minds would choose the NES Metal Gear over Snake's Revenge (unless you're a canon-bitch). The NES Metal Gear was a horribly reprogrammed version of the original MSX game without half the care and even less stealth than Snake's Revenge (at least Snake's Revenge kept the "double exclamation mark" alert mode and didn't allow to turn off the alarm by moving to the next screen most of the time).
I don't even understand why people think Snake's Revenge is so un-Metal Gear-like. Outside of the lame side-view segments , I thought it was a pretty faithful to the original (unlike say, Zelda II). It's also a shame that the crappy US manual has affected people's perception of the game's plot, even though Kockamamie is not even mentoned in the actual game's narrative (although, some people should know better, namely anyone working for a videogame magazine).
And I'm not even saying that I prefer SR over MG2. I'm simply saying SR doesn't deserve half the flakk it gets. Granted, SR might not be the canonica sequell, but most fanboys treat the game like it was the videogame-equalivent of Batman & Robin.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:41 am
by 87th
It's mainly when you compare it to MG2:SS that the flaws shine out. The dialogue and plot is incredibly campy, and silly. With NES MetalGear, I just laughed at it, with Snake's Revenge, I got annoyed.
Oh and let's not forget-
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/myths/bbsna ... rdboss.gif
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:41 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
87th wrote:It's mainly when you compare it to MG2:SS that the flaws shine out. The dialogue and plot is incredibly campy, and silly. With NES MetalGear, I just laughed at it, with Snake's Revenge, I got annoyed.
Oh and let's not forget-
http://www.thesnakesoup.com/myths/bbsna ... rdboss.gif
Well, duh. Of course, the plot and dialogue are gonna campy compared to Metal Gear 2. Aside from the fact that it wasn't written by Kojima, It's an early 90s NES game after all. Videogames back then were hardly literature, not many people gave a damn about such things as continuity and character development (with that said, SR's story was fine by NES standards). Besides, the Cyborg Big Boss isn't anymore ridiculous than getting possesed by a surgically-attached limb.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:29 pm
by 87th
I never said it surprised me that Snake's Revenge was silly, but that doesn't solve it from being a bad point of the game. I never said that Ocelot being possesed by Liquid's arm wasn't a silly aspect of MGS2, either. There's more bad points about the game where that came from, too.
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:32 am
by Jonathan Ingram
Of course you didn't say that Ocelot/Liquid was silly, Johnny was pointing out that by comparing Kojima and non-Kojima games you are inviting such a comparison.[/code]
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:48 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
Exactly! I find it rather hypocritical and double-standard to complain about a ridiculous plot twist in Snake's Revenge, when the Metal Gear canon itself has it's fair share of ridiculous plot twists to begin with.
Besides, it was Kojima himself who said that Snake's Revenge "was faithful to the Metal Gear concept", not me.

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:14 pm
by 87th
I didn't claim Snake's Revenge's biggest flaw was that it wasn't developed by KECJ, either. Of course I'm just giving personal opinions, and there's no reason to get annoyed at them or probe my reasons for having them. It's a very natural thing for me to compare Snake's Revenge with Solid Snake, as they're both sequals to what is essentially, the same game. As Solid Snake is a very important game, to me, Snake's Revenge seems very flawed in comparison. MetalGear comes of as a worse game than MG2, to me, so a comparison between it and its NES counterpart is less sacrilegious.
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:09 pm
by Johnny Undaunted
87th wrote:I didn't claim Snake's Revenge's biggest flaw was that it wasn't developed by KECJ, either.
KECJ? What's that? Was that the name of Kojima's team during the MSX days? :razz:
Actually, there wasn't even a KCEJ (nor KCET and KCE Studios) back when Metal Gear 1 & 2 and Snake's Revenge were made. It was just one big Konami with in-house studios working on different platforms (Kojima's team was assigned to the MSX division). Just a correction.
MetalGear comes of as a worse game than MG2, to me, so a comparison between it and its NES counterpart is less sacrilegious.
But more appropiate, since unlike Snake's Revenge and Metal Gear 2, they're actually meant to be the same game.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:03 am
by 87th
I just don't see it that way, sorry.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:43 am
by Szczepaniak
Johnny Undaunted wrote:I don't understand how anyone in their right minds would choose the NES Metal Gear over Snake's Revenge (unless you're a canon-bitch). The NES Metal Gear was a horribly reprogrammed version of the original MSX game without half the care and even less stealth than Snake's Revenge (at least Snake's Revenge kept the "double exclamation mark" alert mode and didn't allow to turn off the alarm by moving to the next screen most of the time).
I don't even understand why people think Snake's Revenge is so un-Metal Gear-like. Outside of the lame side-view segments , I thought it was a pretty faithful to the original (unlike say, Zelda II). It's also a shame that the crappy US manual has affected people's perception of the game's plot, even though Kockamamie is not even mentoned in the actual game's narrative (although, some people should know better, namely anyone working for a videogame magazine).
And I'm not even saying that I prefer SR over MG2. I'm simply saying SR doesn't deserve half the flakk it gets. Granted, SR might not be the canonica sequell, but most fanboys treat the game like it was the videogame-equalivent of Batman & Robin.
Erm... I second what Mr Undaunted said. I personally regard SR as one of the best games in the NES/Famicom catalogue, and worthy of inclusion alongside other MG games.
As for working for a magazine, I wrote a pro-snakes revenge MG history article which should be in print next month. Assuming my boss doesn't cut it at the ;last moment or edit the SR bits out.
The game features elements from several other canon based MG games, and elements were used in later games of the series. (shotgun, searchlights, tanker with MGears, interogation etc)
As far as NES games go, its extremely high quality. Good visuals, typically excellent Konami music, decent stealth sections, and plenty of cool elements. No one who has played the majority of NES/Famicom games can claim that SR is bad. Have you people played Predator, Spelunker, or that other lame ass stealth game that was converted from the c64? Infiltrator or something. As JU said, ignore the damned manual. (out of interest, I got a PAL copy of it yesterday and am playing through again on the hardware, lovely little game)
As far as MG games go, I will argue that it is deserving of being held alongside the entire series, canon or non-canon. Ghost babel is claimed to be non-canon, yet it is always put in the timeline. It is also far better than the NES port of the MSX game.
I personally believe that when they developed SR, they developed it as a NES sequel to the MSX version, as oppsoed to the NES port of the MSX version.
The reasoning for this is simple. SR contains gameplay ideas such as actual Metal gear robots that were not found in the NES version. At the very least, those who devved SR looked at both the MSX and NES titles, as opposed to making SR whilst only viewing the NES version.
Does this make sense? I hope so.