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Goddard

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:43 pm
by Artemio
Well, I just saw Innocence again (Ghost in the Shell 2) and was reading about it again today. And I came upon an interesting thing, that I quote from Wikipedia:
"This desire to include quotes by other authors came from Godard. The text is very important for a film, that I learned from him. It gives a certain richness to cinema because the visual is not all there is. Thanks to Godard, the spectator can concoct his own interpretation. [...] The image associated to the text corresponds to a unifying act that aims at renewing cinema, that lets it take on new dimensions."
Of course, I immediately recalled several (obvious and loosely related) things.

1) The episode 3 of Ghost in the Shell, stand alone complex, makes direct quote references to "Breathless", one of Godard's films. (This series is from completely different creators, but I believe the reference is a nod to Innocence and obviously the sharing of same interests/ideas.)
2) The relationship between Oshii and Kojima, specifically when Kojima did Policenauts and Oshii played the game. And Kojima being a fan of Oshii's work.
3) The Goddard name in Policenauts. The katakana representation of the name is ゴダード (though romanization is always (?) Goddard).
4) Kojima also likes placing quotes here and there, though it is neither as direct (or not translated as literally).

What do you guys think?

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:23 am
by Jack
Oshii played Policenauts? Cool, where did you find out?

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:32 am
by Artemio
Here: Oshii and Kojima

In that interview. I do have a translation to spanish, but it is not as polished. I will put up a fully translated version some day.

Here's the link to the full scans:

NTT Policenauts Konami Official Guide

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:58 pm
by Jack
That's cool. When I saw Innocence, especially the last part with that unbelievable action sequence, I thought that if there must be a GITS - Innocence game, Kojima should do it.

But wait, I perfectly know that he isn't the guy that accepts a tie-in. In fact, what would be cooler, is to see Oshii and Kojima working together on a project. It could be one of those multimedia project that span on different products... Such creative minds rarely can team up effectively (just like Oshii couldn't work at Ghibli with Miyazaki), but it would be nice to see because those two really share a similar vision.

But sorry, I'm straying from the topic. By the way, have you seen Godard's Breathless (A bout de souffle)? It's truly an awesome film. I've also seen The Chinese (La Chinoise) and I must say his works were really groundbreaking for things to come.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:10 am
by Johnny Undaunted
The EMPS models are actually named after rocket scientists though.

Robert Goddard, Hermann Oberth and Wernher von Braun (Von Brawn) were all well-known scientists in the field of astronomy. The Yuri model was named after Yuri Gagarin according to the Policenauts glossary, although it could arguably be a reference to Harold C. Urey (when you consider the "official" romanization).

Also, Tony Redwood and his brother, Ridley, share the same given names with the real life Scott brothers.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:20 pm
by Jack
I think Gundam paid homage to Von Braun too.

Re: Goddard

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:48 am
by Missing
Snatcher wrote:1) The episode 3 of Ghost in the Shell, stand alone complex, makes direct quote references to "Breathless", one of Godard's films. (This series is from completely different creators, but I believe the reference is a nod to Innocence and obviously the sharing of same interests/ideas.)
Haven't seen that episode. What references are there to Breathless?

Re: Goddard

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:21 am
by Artemio
Missing wrote:Haven't seen that episode. What references are there to Breathless?
Spoiler:
Several textual quotes from the two characters, they used them alternating as if they were the characters in Breathless, a gynoid and the son of a diplomat that loves cinema.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:17 pm
by 87th
I noticed a few things that reminded me a lot of Snatcher in the Akira manga (I bought the first two parts last week).
Most noticeably Nezu looks quite like Napoleon-
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Spoiler:
The laser beam shot from the satelite that tries to kill Tetsuo when he escapes with Akira also reminded me of the laser that was shot at the Snatchers' factory at the end of the game

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:08 pm
by Dave
I noticed that a month or so ago when I dound my old copy of AKira, the two do look eerily similar. :smile:

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:22 pm
by Modnar
Just the whole scene in GITS:I when they are investing the crime scene, it seems as if they go through just like in snatcher. like they same something about investigating body samples or whatever they said...it prob wasnt so similar but when i saw it i just felt as if gillian and metal were in there helping out.